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Post by Ripley » Wed Oct 26, 2005 8:57 am

geo614142 wrote:I said i tried, and i have tried so has my OH but were both scared of touching them now, as they bite all the time. If it all make you feel better ill keep the rats, but they will stay in there cage never getting picked up and stroked and only coming out to be cleaned and then being put into a carrier, as i feel i cant touch them for fear of being biten. I do want to learn more about rats, but due to circumstances, nothing to do with Babies i am not up to trying any more.


I have 4 unhandleable rescue rats and I am too frightened to pick them up, but I work around it. If they want to come out for freerange time, they are shoo'd into a cat carrier. If they won't go in, they can't come out but that is very rare. They can then enjoy freerange time, and I just shoo them back in to the carrier at the end and let them go back into their cage.

You don't have to be able to handle a rat to give the rat a good life. I am too terrified to handle them, but I feel really satisfied that with me they have a huge cage, toys, hammocks, a varied diet, company of their own kind, freerange time and vet care when they need it. Last time Lexi went to the vets she was desperately trying to attack/bite the vet, we had to wrap her in a towel, but we worked around it! I really don't feel that my rescues are missing out on anything just because I can't stroke or hold them, and I really don't feel they'd be much better off with anyone else! :D

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Post by SarahP » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:02 am

Not sure if this is on topic or not but I needed to get it off my chest :-? We popped in to the Taunton branch of Watermarque as the Yeovil branch were selling rodi ropes for £5 each and I wanted to see if they had some in their branch. As they were over by the animal tanks we couldn’t help noticing the sign saying ‘brown rat free to good home’ :-? Well of course Jess had to go and ask why the rat was free.
We were taken round the back of the tanks and shown the very frightened lone little boy who was a little rex possible dark champagne. When asked why he was free, I was told that he had jumped from the tank a few weeks ago and they couldn’t find him for 30 minutes and he hadn’t been the same since and would try and bite if you tried to pick him up. I was told that he would have to stay on his own and that he was like that because he was rex, all rex rats are like that :o . They also said that they thought he was having some sort of fits because he kept twitching. When asked where he came from I was told a rodent farm. When I asked how old he was, I was told they didn’t keep records of when they come in so they were unsure.
Well of course our first thought was that we must take him but we decided to go off and think about it first as we had other shops to go to. We thought very hard about what to do and in the end we decided that we should not take the little one our reasons being.
1. We were told at first that he was larger than all the other rats, which made us think that they really only wanted him out fast so they could get younger cuter kittens in without the worry of this one being brought back because the owner couldn’t handle him.
2. Even if we didn’t pay for him, we would still be promoting the rodent farms even if it was indirectly.
3. They little fellow and plenty of dry and fresh food and was in a clean tank and looked of good size and healthy.
4. We had plenty of proper rescue rats that need a lot of our time and love and I didn’t want to put their happiness in jeopardy in any way.
5. We would not be able to take on any other rescues that may be in a unsafe, unhealthy environment.
6. We had promised ourselves never to get an animal from a pet shop again.
All this doesn’t stop me from feeling bad about the little one left at the shop and constantly thinking about him but I really think I have made the right decision or have I :-?
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Post by Holly » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:03 am

LauraElysia wrote:In response to anyone who thinks rescues might not be right for first time owners, as Holly suggested, I can assure you they can often be. My first ever pair were from a rescue and the lady knew I was inexperienced and gave me a pair of loving laid back boys who I loved dearly. :)


I am sure you are right. Personally, I thought long and hard about getting my first ratties from a rescue because I do think it is wonderful to give an unwanted animal a home. When I was younger my parents and I had a dog from Dogs Trust and he was absolutely lovely.

I just wanted to take the "safest" option - i.e going to a breeder. My boys are gorgeous, healthy and well socialised. That is not to say that rescue rats would not be, but there is more of a risk because of course the rats are from an unknown background.

First time around I decided not to take that risk, but I do honestly support rescues wholeheartedly and there is no doubt in my mind that the most loving rats can come from them.
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Post by Debs » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:22 am

SarahP wrote:Not sure if this is on topic or not but I needed to get it off my chest :-? We popped in to the Taunton branch of Watermarque


Don't get me started on Watermarque, I had a phone call from one of their so called "local breeders" a while back after huskies and blues to mass produce for them. She didn't get anywhere with me, her attitude towards the animals was abysmal.

The fact Watermarque sell reptiles too probably means a nasty end for a "free" ratty! Is he likely to be still there? While I wouldn't want to take on any more rescues permanently, I am willing to foster him until I can find him a home. Due to working long hours in Exeter, I can't get to Watermarque until Sunday at the earliest though :-(
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Post by LauraElysia » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:27 am

That's great Holly, not judging you for choosing a breeder at all (I might get round to it myself one of these days!) in fact I admire that you have taken the trouble and sought out a good breeder rather than go to a pet shop but just wanted to point it out, cos I know some of the info around says don't get a rescue if it's your first time, which isn't necessarily true :D

Ooh and RipleysRatPack - I have a similar arrangement with my Chaplin, though he tends to stalk off to a corner and glare at me - but he seems happy enough with the shooing into a tube method so I can lift him out(doesn't like being touched by hands). I do love him despite him being such a grump! At least his bruv has come round!
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Post by SarahP » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:29 am

Debs wrote:The fact Watermarque sell reptiles too probably means a nasty end for a "free" ratty! Is he likely to be still there? While I wouldn't want to take on any more rescues permanently, I am willing to foster him until I can find him a home. Due to working long hours in Exeter, I can't get to Watermarque until Sunday at the earliest though :-(

Oh dear now I feel I have made the wrong decision :( I did think about fostering him and rehoming but thought that was not allowed on here because it was from a pet shop :( I can phone them now and see if he is still there, which is very likely as he has been on his own for 3 weeks. I am also willing to collect him today if you think its the right thing to do.
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Post by ali67 » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:38 am

Sarah, I think your reasons for leaving the boy there were absolutely sound, and very responsible. However, I agree with Debs that in this case, there are also extremely valid reasons for taking him on (especially as he was free). It's hardly as if you would have been taking him on a whim, and unlikely that it would have perpetuated the whole breed-sell-breed cycle. I hope he's still there and you can sort something out. If by any chance he's gone, please don't feel guilty.
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Post by ali67 » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:50 am

Ripleysratpack - that sounds a great arrangement! I admire you for the way you're coping with your problem rats - they're not always easy, but I agree with Han and you that the reward, in terms of the satisfaction you feel, is worth it.

I won't waffle on too much about Steely again - I certainly don't think he's the most difficult rat on the forum, and I've written about him enough in the past! But he's taught me, as you've learned from your rats, that things can be worked around. You work on the things you can change, and accept the things that you can't.

Steely used to bite all the time but my patience eventually paid off (I did cry a lot for ages though!). The first time he got on my shoulder and whiffled in my ear, I froze in fear, then cried because I was so happy! There are still things I don't do (like put my hands in his cage!) but I can pick him up now (if I'm careful) with nothing more than the odd squeak, and we can actually cuddle for a minute!

My relationship with him to start with was so awful, I honestly wished I'd never taken him on. But I also knew that if he went back to rescue (where he'd already spent the best part of a year) he'd never find another home. I kept having to remind myself he was a rat, not a rottie!

He's definitely been my "success story" and I've no doubt that in the future I'll deliberately take on another biter just for the challenge and reward of bringing them round!

Sorry, totally off topic :) :o .
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Post by Debs » Wed Oct 26, 2005 9:54 am

Oh no, I didn't mean to make you feel guilty, Sarah! I completely understand your decision, and have walked away from Watermarque freebies myself in the past, when for various reasons I haven't had the space/time for any more - you can't rescue them all! (And I agree, I would never pay for a pet shop rat.)

Their staff haven't seemed overly confident with handling rats in the past which will contribute to jumpy/nervous rats. I used to get stuff for my pond in there, and they've had quite a few free "biters" in there before (says something for the source of their rats!). If they think that escaping for a while will make a rat nasty, they don't know rats, or just want an excuse.
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Post by uk1lesley » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:44 am

so apart from leaving him there, which rightly or wrongly was your descison, did you do anything to help him ?.
Rex rats are curly, end of story, they are certainly not Predisposed to be aggressive/nervy/bitey/escape artists/yoggy drop haters/cleavage divers/curtain hangers/home wreckers/bossy boots or intelliegent bio chemists. So did you speak to the manager and voice your concerns ? Probability is he would have done nothing, managers are usually self opinionated pompass decushioned males, with the compassion of a hazel nut.
But, you could have caused him a weeny bit of grief. He would have had to show you his livestock license had you asked, bet he would not have been able to find it easyly, and under UK law he would have to show you. And you dont need to tell him why you want to see it. Then you could have checked every cage and counted his stock of animals. If he had even one hamster more then he should have it would be against his livestock lisence and you could report him .
It really bugs me that petshops get away with stuff like this becouse the people who care dont follow through with making a complaint. :evil:
No one has ever asked me if they can see our livestock license, so how can any one know we are sticking to it ? no one has ever asked to see our quaranteen room or asked for the breeders address, or asked wht happens to the animals if they sick or injured.
This is in no way an attack on anyone, i would not have been able to bring the little boy home iether, for basically the same reasons.
But please dont thnk you cannot do anything to change the way these pet stores work, little ripples :wink:
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Post by PrideRavyn » Wed Oct 26, 2005 11:55 am

lesley, can customers really ask to see your quarantine room etc? i never realised i could else i would do!

sarah, personally i think you must have great willpower not to have taken that little lad...i certainly would have!
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Post by SarahP » Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:14 pm

PrideRavyn wrote:sarah, personally i think you must have great willpower not to have taken that little lad...i certainly would have!


My willpower is not that great after all :oops: http://www.fancy-rats.co.uk/community/v ... 733#259733 I did go back and get the little boy today and yes 'uk1lesley' I did make a fuss both yesterday and today :wink: I told them it was nothing to do with the fact he was a rex but to do with the fact that they get their rats from rodent farms and the conditions they were kept in :evil: I told her there was no way this little boy would be kept on his own for the rest of his life and many many more things that can not be repeated on a forum that is read by juniors :wink: But of course all this was said once he was safely in his carrier :wink: I will never be returning to that store again even if they were selling the 'rodi ropes' for £1 :wink:
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Post by kieran » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:32 pm

Whilst I was in PAH the other day, I noticed they had an offer with the rats, and hamsters.
The rats were 2 for £10 and hamsters 2 for £15.

I think this really irresponsible.

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Post by Kaleidoscope » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:38 pm

surely its encouraging people to buy two rats? isnt that a good thing? i no your going to say encouraging anybody to buy a pet shop rat is irresponsible but i dont think PAH will ever stop selling rats. at least this way they are discouraging getting one rat and it having a lonely life

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Post by kieran » Wed Oct 26, 2005 4:41 pm

Kaleidoscope wrote:surely its encouraging people to buy two rats? isnt that a good thing? i no your going to say encouraging anybody to buy a pet shop rat is irresponsible but i dont think PAH will ever stop selling rats. at least this way they are discouraging getting one rat and it having a lonely life


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I understand that, but it's they are live animals and to turn round and say £6 for one but 2 for £10. It's something you'd expect to find in Tesco, not with a live animal. But as you say on the other hand, it'll probably encourage people to buy 2. Although my PAH in Edinburgh, only ever seems to have 3 rats at a time.

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