Advice please Re Multiple malignant mammary tumours...

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Advice please Re Multiple malignant mammary tumours...

Post by debzratties » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:01 pm

Hi, I thought i'd better start a new post now that we have an update regarding Basil as the other one
wasn't very specific as we wern't sure of her problem at the time. I'm really sorry for the long post:
Basil is our first and eldest at around 2 yrs, she has always been quite nervous
until recently when we got the last group of rescues (10 younger girls) and apart from her mothering behaviour
towards them all she has also become a lot more relaxed which we took as
a good sign. Have since realised that it may be because she's ill :(

Recently we noticed a nasty deep bite wound on her leg and over the next few days she developed 2 seperate lumps
shortly followed by a 3rd all on the left side of her body. We saw the vet after the 2nd lump appeared and he
said he would remove the largest one on her chest as it looked like a mammary tumour but didn't think she should have the lump on her side
done at the same time, he thought it was likely to be malignant. We have been
back to the vets today to see if he can operate any sooner and to let them know about the new lump.

He has agreed to remove all of the lumps in one go but was worried about her having 3 seperate lumps operated on as he wasn't sure there
would be enough skin left over to cover the wounds so he is now going to make 2 incisions to remove all 3 lumps, the one on her neck/chest
area looks like it's attatched to surrounding tissue and may not be safe to remove and if this is the case the vet has suggested he give
us a ring for permission to not wake her up from surgery. Because we know we may only have her until the 23rd we didn't really push to have the
op done sooner but I have just had a call to say that he could do it on the 18th so now we may have even less time :(
We also discussed spaying at the same time and agreed it would be to much for her and also if Tamoxifen following surgery would help, he said We
would be better contacting a specialist rat vet as they don't use this drug in small animals.

I was suprisingly calm while at the vets but it is now hitting me really hard especially explainig whats going to be happening
as it's playing out in my head as i'm typing. Just so upset at the thought of whats to come and need some advice about what to do for the best :(

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Re: Advice please Re Multiple malignant mammary tumours...

Post by debzratties » Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:36 pm

Sorry, forgot to ask if anybody has any info on the use of Tamoxifen for treating Malignant mammary tumours
in rats as it was recommended by Ratgirl@RatRitz but I have searched on here regarding this and it's not mentioned
anywhere, our vet doesn't use it for small animals either so he wasn't able to help.

Has anybody else heard about this treatment or used it on their rats and if so was it any help?

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Re: Advice please Re Multiple malignant mammary tumours...

Post by petrify » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:13 pm

sorry to hear you are going through all this. I have only ever used galastop with regard to mammary tumours but that was with supposedly benign tumours. Galastop affects the hormones slowing the lumps growth. Not sure about the other drug. Try pming her about the other drug. Good luck. X
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Re: Advice please Re Multiple malignant mammary tumours...

Post by mcfadyen » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:25 pm

Has your vet done any histology on the lumps to be certain that they're malignant? The fact that the one on her chest appears to be attached is, admittedly, not a good sign, but if the other two lumps are moveable the same doesn't apply to them (though, obviously, I can only make presumptions and guesses).

I'm only asking because Tamoxifen is toxic and there would be no point giving her it if the lumps were benign.

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Re: Advice please Re Multiple malignant mammary tumours...

Post by debzratties » Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:30 pm

mcfadyen wrote:Has your vet done any histology on the lumps to be certain that they're malignant? The fact that the one on her chest appears to be attached is,
admittedly, not a good sign, but if the other two lumps are moveable the same doesn't apply to them (though, obviously, I can only make presumptions and guesses).
The vet is going by the feel of the lumps, the lump on her chest feels attatched and he also said it is quite deep
and not just under the skin, like a mammary tumour would be. The fact that she has had 3 lumps appear within days of each other
also pointed towards them being malignant. We didn't want to put Basil through the stress of a biopsy and then a big op so the lumps
will be sent of for analysis after surgery.
mcfadyen wrote:I'm only asking because Tamoxifen is toxic and there would be no point giving her it if the lumps were benign.
This is why I would like to get any info I can before she has her op so that we can decide if it would be worthwhile giving it her,
If the lumps do turn out to be malignant then it seems pointless putting her through the surgery for the lumps to reappear shortly
afterwards, especially if there isn't any drugs that would at least delay new lumps from developing. I have heard of the drug Tamoxifen but not
for use in rats...only humans. I also don't know if Galastop is of any benefit in treating malignant tumours of this kind. She has been such an amazing girl,
especially when mothering all of our other rescues, right from being a baby herself and want to do everything we can to help her, especially as She isn't really
showing any signs of being unwell at all at the moment. If anybody has any info on either of these 2 drugs please share

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Re: Advice please Re Multiple malignant mammary tumours...

Post by iadorerats » Sun Feb 13, 2011 9:56 am

My rat, Pip has a large tumour the size of a 2p coin behind her front right leg, luckily I saw this early as a previous rat had the same problem. You can pay £80.00 to get the lump removed or, you wait untill it gets to the point that their quality of life is just gone, so you get the rat put down. If you choose the operation you have a large risk of them dying, as they are old...Pip's still reasonably healthy, she is eating, drinking and running around, and this is 6 weeks later from when I first found the tumour. It is common when rats get old, pip is 4 going 5 so she wouldn't pull through a strenuous operation, the vet also said the tumour could be back in a matter of week's. Me and Pip are living a happy life, and when it is time, she will be put to sleep, but at the moment she seems very content. Try feeding your rat lots of treats and making sure she has plenty of bedding, as they may die naturally and, the prepare a bed. Good luck,

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Re: Advice please Re Multiple malignant mammary tumours...

Post by debzratties » Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:14 pm

iadorerats wrote: You can pay £80.00 to get the lump removed or, you wait untill it gets to the point that their quality of life is just gone, so you get the rat put down. If you choose the operation you have a large risk of them dying, as they are old
Just seen this, as if I didn't feel bad enough already: :cry: :cry:
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