Somewhat Lethargic and lumps on throat Please any info!

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Somewhat Lethargic and lumps on throat Please any info!

Post by Umberk » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:03 am

I have a 22month old male rat who is housed with 5 other rats, 4 that are a year old and one that is about 4-5 months.

3 nights ago I noticed my rat was not moving around as much as normal and seemed sleepy. I attributed it to me just waking him up so I thought nothing about it.

The next morning I went to clean the cage, let everyone out, and he just slowly moved under my bed and layed down. Hes also had a lot of nasal discharge but only after some physical activity.

I brought him to my emergency vet as my regular vet was closed due to the weekend. She looked him over and prescribed Baytril and Doxycycline for treatment and to keep him from moving around too much. I had noticed during the visit that he had some small lumps on his neck/throat area under his chin; she told me it was either swollen lymph nodes possibly from an infection, a tumor, or, less likely, an abscess. They were small, smaller than a pea and it felt like 3-4 connected to each other like small bubbles on a main bubble.

Today the lumps feel larger and he doesnt like me trying to feel the area. Its been 2 days since first noticing it and Im concerned about how quickly its growing He has gotten a little more activity to him and seems more awake but now I am more concerned about the lumps on his neck and that it may be constricting airways causing him to be slower with his movements. He seems weak in a way that its harder for him to sit up or reach his water bottle(had to lower it). The lumps move around to some degree but I fear that it may be a thyroid tumor of some kind yet at the same time the location makes me think lymph nodes.

After the emergency visit I am kinda strapped for cash but I didnt want to wait longer than necessary for treatment. The Emergency vet told me to keep an eye on the lumps as they may shrink over the next week with medication and to have it re-checked if no improvement is shown after 7 days.

Other info: I work for a pet store and I'm afraid, maybe, I brought a virus home that would cause such symptoms. I know there are some human viruses that cause tiredness and inflamed lymph nodes, especially around the throat, and I'm hoping it may be something that will pass and not anything terrible.
He still eats, drinks, cleans himself, urinates and poops, but does not eat with the same vigor as he usually would; he cleans himself pretty well for being asleep a lot of the time.

Has anyone had anything similar happen?? Hes otherwise been very healthy and hasnt shown any other issues, he does have small small mole-like lumps on his back(3 total) but has had those for months without growth.

I'm not prepared to lose him at all as this is so sudden. I'm nearly in tears at the thought of losing him so early.. most of my rats live at least 2.5 years or longer even ones that were always sick.

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Re: Somewhat Lethargic and lumps on throat Please any info!

Post by StormySkye » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:19 am

Sorry to hear your boy isn't well :( I haven't experienced this personally, but I wouldn't blame yourself as I think it'd be unlikely to be something you've brought home. Is there any way of contacting your regular vet, and just asking over the phone what they think it is likely to be? I know I'm not overly helpful, but I wanted to give some support :luck:
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Post by scoobylyn » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:51 am

I am going through this now and you have described what mt rats have had. I have confirmed SDA from an unknown source. As far as I know the only virus that causes lumps in the throat is SDAV.

Are the lumps like walnuts at the front of the neck making the neck look like excess skin and a bulldog short neck?

Being aggressive with ab's saved all my rats lives as they were pretty sick. Please don't take any risks visiting anywhere else and follow a proper quarantine for 6-8 weeks to stop this spreading.

Edited to say the majority of vets will never have seen or come across this virus and will tell you to take the rat in... I refused to do this as then the virus will spread and vets in my experience don't follow correct procedures and others are likely to get infected.
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Re: Somewhat Lethargic and lumps on throat Please any info!

Post by KateR » Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:09 am

SDAV was my first thought too, unfortunately. http://www.nfrs.org/sdav.html
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Re: Somewhat Lethargic and lumps on throat Please any info!

Post by Umberk » Tue Jul 19, 2011 5:56 pm

Wow it does sorta sound like SDA. The lumps on his neck are right on the front of his throat " like walnuts at the front of the neck making the neck look like excess skin and a bulldog short neck" or like bull frog type of swelling. Im not quite sure where the partoid and sub maxillary gland is on rats but the swelling is right in front of the trachea like where is jaw ends and his neck meets.

This has put a bit of hope in me. I've had so much experience with rats in this past 5 years of owning them that I thought I had read up on most illnesses to look out for. I've even had a male rat with a pituitary tumor and recognized the symptoms almost immediately however he only lived for 5 days after the initial symptoms started...

I have not gotten any new rats in over 2 months, the newest addition was an adoption due to "aggressive behavior" but hes a sweetheart just extremely nervous and excitable.

At work we got in 4 young rats around 8-10 weeks old, 2 about 2 weeks ago and 2 more last week. None are showing symptoms but may be immune to the virus if they've already been exposed. Im the "rat lady" so I always handle the rats quite a lot. From the reading apparently the infection can live 2 days outside of the body in dry conditions so its very likely I came home from work and handled ratties before I even changed. I walk past the cage to were I change clothes so it could have possibly been that.

None of my other rats are showing symptoms but they are younger and perhaps more resilient.

I am definetly going to give my regular vet a call but Im pretty sure shes just going to have me bring him in which I wont be able to do until Friday when I get paid. My emergency vetting money got wiped out by the Emergency Vet. My regular vet unfortunately is not an exotic specialist but has special interest in exotics and has been working with them for a while... the only vets nearby that are exotic specialist are 2+ hours away...

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