youngest age to sell babies?

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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by PrideRavyn » Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:20 pm

laurahorton wrote:My plan is to introduce the babies to the daddy rat at about 2 weeks old, and then they can all move in with him at about 4 weeks old once they've stopped weaning - and then let them go to new homes at about 6 weeks old. But how is it best to introduce him to them?

He's been neutured and still plays with their mum for short periods at a time when she wents to come way from the nest for a bit. Sorry for all the questions... the litter was a surprise you see and even though have had rats before, this is new territory! x


I wouldn't recommend that you introduce such young babies to any male rat at that age - at two weeks old they have no defence whatsoever, even at 6 weeks old babies are not old enough to defend themselves should the adult male get stroppy with them, and one bite to a two week old baby could very easily be fatal. Some males do not appreciate babies and I have known in the past of boys that have attacked and killed baby rats they have been introduced to for no real reason.

It is really not worth the risk introducing them at that age - 6 weeks old is the minimum I would introduce rats in, and even then only if there was a good reason to, otherwise I would wait until they are bigger and stronger and more able to deal with the mental and physical toils of introductions.
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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by laurahorton » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:07 pm

hmmm, someone else advised that at 2+ weeks, and if supervised very carefully for very short periods of time, they would be fine? Its just that I don't have any other cages and so have no where to put the male babies once seperated from their mum...

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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by LisaLQ » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:14 pm

I'm sure if you post on the market place wanted section, someone might have one going cheap or be able to lend you one.

You cant introduce babies that young to adults. 6 weeks is the absolute minimum, so one way or another, you're going to need that spare cage.

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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by PrideRavyn » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:19 pm

I wouldn't ever risk it, all it would take is one bite, and no matter how closely you watch them there is no way you could be quick enough if a rat spontaneously decided to bite. By the time you had seen that he was going to bite, it would be done and the baby seriously injured, even dying. 2 week old babies are small enough that a bite anywhere in the face, neck or chest region would reach major organs. At 2 weeks old they can barely see since their eyes will have just opened, they have no defences and they have no way of fighting off an adult rat - it's just not a risk I would ever take with my babies.

I had a rescue mother once who attacked her litter at 2 weeks of age. She bit one baby on his tail and the joint of one of his back feet. He lost his tail and had serious damage to the movement and blood flow of his back foot and will have for the remainder of his life. He lay there as she attacked him as 2 week old babies are just not programmed to run or to fight, they have no defences, all he could do was scream as she bit him (which was of course what made me realised she was doing it - luckily I was there to save him from being attacked further).
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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by baz23 » Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:48 pm

Ive seen what adult males can do to 8 week olds and its not pretty, just think how much they could do to a 2 week old :-? When i intro'd my 2 8 week old boys to my 8 month old lads they seemed fine for 5 minutes then they suddenly attacked them for no apparent reason. One ended up with a 1 inch gash down his back and another on his rump and the other had a deep puncture wound in his hip he couldnt walk on his back leg for a week :( That all happened in about 3 seconds before i could jump in and split them up.
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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by csi » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:03 pm

this is the result of a meeting between an 8 week baby and a big boy, whom I considered to be a total squish and had never shown any aggression in any adult/adult intros
It happened under my very nose, in a totally non territory area and in the space of about 10 seconds. By the time I registered the attack starting, it was over and the damage done
the one one the back hip[middle photo] went to an abcess and took 2 months to heal

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now imagine that with a two week old baby
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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by toyah » Tue Oct 14, 2008 8:21 pm

Do not introduce strange adults - either males or females - to kittens until they're at least seven weeks old. I have had a sweet, pleasant, and gentle adult doe kill three five week old kittens.
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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by DogRose » Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:19 pm

I know of one case where a sweet adult girl instantly killed a young doe put in the cage she lived in, no warning, nothing like it before or since. And the baby was older than 5 weeks, probably more like 7. There was no explanation as to why she did it. You can't predict how an animal will react to newcomers or babies.
Once, right back when I first bred litters I had a baby escape from the cage and get into the buck colony into the next cage, she was a tiny baby, eyes still not opened, the boys had left her alone apart from peeing on her- she was absolutely drenched through to the skin with boy pee! Weird, they hadn't touched her apart from that. It could have been worse, I wouldn't risk it.
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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by RW » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:23 am

I'd like to point out that in my experience adult rats are FAR more likely to attack babies once they are 7+ weeks. Before this age they do not see them as a threat, and are hugely tolorant. In New Zealand, breeders always introduce babies at the 3 week mark to other adults (closely supervised), and there are NO horror stories. Having adult interactions however does mean the babies are FAR more socialised and are really good with intros in their new homes.

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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by toyah » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:58 am

RW wrote:there are NO horror stories.


I didn't have any horror stories either until my girl killed those babies. Before then I'd introduced very young kittens to adults with no problems whatsoever!
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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by Estelle » Fri Oct 17, 2008 8:43 am

My only horror story of an intro going badly wrong was introducing an adult (around year old) rescue doe to 5 week old kittens and she killed one of them in an instant - the intro was on a table but i still couldn't get to baby fast enough, she went straight for the back of it's neck. :cry:

I am very careful with intros and generally don't introduce does until they are a bit older - they seem to prefer to meet youngsters once they've got past the annoying teenager age, while bucks are best introduced between 5-12 weeks, before they reach puberty and start to 'smell' and behave like bucks. I am also extremely wary of rats from unknown lines - other breeder's rats do behave differently with another person's rats, so while a rat may be fine in it's own environment, it can be completely different with a bunch of unknown rats, even when the background of all the rats is well known and sound.

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Re: youngest age to sell babies?

Post by Athena » Fri Oct 17, 2008 9:18 am

estelle thats so sad :(
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