Have you had a male rat neutured?

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Did neutering your boy stop aggression?

Yes - there were no more aggressive episodes
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Partial change - the aggression subsided but there were still some issues
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No - his behaviour was unchanged
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Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by Poppyhal » Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:10 pm

When male rats get neutered due to aggression, I was wondering how often neutering actual works and the rat stops being aggressive?
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by ancient-crone » Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:42 pm

I had one neutered for aggression.
His aggression was purely down to hormones, you could really tell, he just wasnt himself. He took an almighty bite out of me (trip to A&E) and his baubles were off two days later, and almost straight away he was calm and content.
I understand that de-baubling rats is not a certain way to calm aggressiveness because it is not always hormone driven but Nibbly's (totally unfortunate name) aggression was.
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by Betterstar » Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:46 pm

Our neutering isn't as straight forward as the options, so I'll just list them! Aggression isn't a word I like to use as I don't think any animal is outright "aggressive".

Snufkin - yes, neutering solved his issues with other rats, but I suspect proper socialisation and lots of handling helped just as much. He was getting into big nasty fights and often badly bit me when I went to split them up.

Somer - again, yes he's no longer "aggressive". I use inverted commas because he was attacking our rats mostly out of fear and lack of social skills, not some sort of uncontrollable rage. It's possible that he would have warmed to company without being neutered, but it certainly helped speed things along a bit!

Snapcase - Not so much, but again I don't think "aggression" was the issue. He was neutered for having a very short temper and damaging Snark's nose in what seemed like an unprovoked and unnecessary attack. He's still grumpy and short tempered, but he doesn't get in fights any more. Whether this is down to age or neutering I wouldn't like to say, but we haven't noticed a dramatic change in his behaviour.

Boojum - neutered for a retained testicle, as squishy and dumpling-like as he's always been :D.
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by ErnieG! » Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:05 pm

When I got my baba done, it was to put him in with my girly again, but I do think from what I've heard it does make a difference, being as young as he was he didn't seem to have any problems with my girl (i hate shops and giving me a girl and boy, I only noticed on the way home when they mated :oops: ) long story.
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by not_ginger » Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:14 pm

I've had two done just over a month ago. One was getting very hormonal and taking it out on my old boys; his brother was going the same way so we decided to get them done together. It didn't make a change immediately, and when we started introducing them again (after 3 weeks) there was still some foofing but it subsided after a couple of seconds rather than making him on edge all evening. They have all been living together again since Friday (5 weeks after the neuter) and fingers crossed all is going well this time. :)
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by papermoon » Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:54 pm

I had my boyzy done and he was happily living with girls since then...It didn't work with his brother...but I think I didn't give enough time due to my inexperience :(
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by Jird » Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:56 pm

I've had one rat neutered and it worked beautifully. He was a lone boy when we got him, and before denadding he'd immediately attempt to murder any rats in reach during intros, and although he wasn't as bad with humans he'd attack us occasionally too. Now he's castrated he's like a a different rat, no aggression in him whatsoever.
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by Rhi01 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:43 pm

I had George castrated for aggression issues. It took a while but he's now calm and is becoming a little squish in the making.
Bruce, a rescue boy I had was castrated also and when I got him he was very mellow.
Norman was a lone rescue and castrated to go with my girls. He wasn't aggressive but now won't say boo to a ghost.
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by Marianimal » Sun Apr 11, 2010 9:51 pm

I've had all my males neutered; I don't want any accidents as they are rescues. I have had a couple done due to aggression issues, the most notable being Piggy. Pig has brain damage, so when he started to attack Noodles I didn't consider neutering immediately. He attacked Noodles pretty viciously ad I decided that enough was enough!

I can't believe the total change of personality - everyone who has seen him who knew what he was like before has picked up on it. He'll ping around like a mad creature and hasn't bitten me once since his nads went: he's just a much happier little guy all round. He has had a lot of problems with recurring abscesses though, which I've put down to him being double rex - he's got another one at the moment as well, huh.
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by Karly » Mon Apr 12, 2010 7:31 am

I've had quite a few boys neutered and have to say it definately improved their quality of life, with most reverting to how they were pre-hormonal behaviour within a week or two. My two slightly different to 'normal' stories would be
- Sam. Not actually hormonally aggressive, at least not typically. Was an older boy that had been born in a petshop and lived in a tank for several months. Ended up a lone rat when his last brother was sold, and not long after I was asked to take him. He was quite a fearful rat, hated to be touched initially, it took several weeks of leaving him nearby but not forcing anything to get him to even approach me when freeranging - and then he'd usually have a nip and run back to his hiding spot. Took lots of time before he was even comfortable being picked up, lots of shrieking from him as if I was murdering him. Attempted intros to rats was a massive failure - he'd shriek if they even came near, and if they touched him he'd freak out and bite.
After a little while I decided to try neutering him, just to see if it helped, even if it meant just being able to introduce him to girls who might act a bit differently and be a bit more acceptable to him because they were female. Neutering changed everything though - he went from a rat I could barely even stroke for a second without him tensing up, to a rat that came to several rat shows as my shoulder rat, falling asleep on my arm and being stroked by total strangers. He also went to live with 3 other neutered males and a group of girls. Total success, and not just for aggression, I believe hormones can have other effects on rats.
- Wonky. Another petshop boy, he was from an accidental litter handed in to a petshop I worked at. None of these rats were very sociable, I had two of his sisters and they were (initially) the type to leap from your hands like soap because they were afraid of handing. The boys sat around the petshop a lot longer than the girls, were moved into smaller tanks, some got mites from stress and most had chesty clicks - eventually got permission from my manager to rehome them all (he wanted to pay to have them all put down for some crazy reason, when I was offering to take them off his hands free :roll: ) and Wonky stayed. He had a severe head tilt, from an untreated ear infection, treated him straight away but he always retained a big tilt - he'd roll if you tried picking him up so this was probably an added stress he didn't need. He was probably the most hormonal rat I've ever owned, he'd constantly be bog brushing, he was very greasy, and pretty aggressive, both to rats and humans. I literally couldn't pick him up without risking a bad bite, I had to gently hold him by the base of his tail to scoop my other hand under him, no chance of approaching him from his sides or front. During freerange he would randomly walk over to bite me, even if I was the other side of the bed. Once he'd lost some of the excess weight he was carrying and recovered from his tilt as much as he ever would, I decided I'd risk the op - he was constantly stressed, on guard in his cage, would attack anything that went in there (even new toys), so I decided it was at the point where he either needed the hormones gone, or to pass peacefully mid-op. Well, the op went fine, and after about 2 weeks he was successfully introduced to 3 neutered males and my girls. The slightly different to usual bit about his case is that he still retained some aggression to humans. He was fine with rats but think as his behaviour to humans had been reinforced daily (whereas he didn't meet rats after failed intros), it had become learnt behaviour. He'd still occasionally nip me, even if he'd sat there for 15 minutes cuddling me, he'd suddenly decide he just had to sink his teeth into me :lol:

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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by Rhi01 » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:08 am

Karly wrote: He'd still occasionally nip me, even if he'd sat there for 15 minutes cuddling me, he'd suddenly decide he just had to sink his teeth into me :lol:

You obviously tasted nice!
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by annc » Mon Apr 12, 2010 9:28 am

I had bith my boys neautered after Roland tried to carry out a DIY castreation on Ronald! Ronald has always been a real wimp! Roland makes sure everyone knows he's alpha, but there's never any blood now.
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by Ratty_Rhian » Mon May 03, 2010 6:12 pm

I had George on foster as he was fighting with his brothers (all 6 were a nightmare together even when tried in pairs), he was alpha in the group and the main agressor. He went back to the rescue and was castrated. He came to live with me and my then 4 girls. A few scuffles and all was well.

I had read that castrated males don't get involved with heirarchy as such when they live with females (I may be talking absolute non-sense so ignore my babbling if I am) but since getting a very agressive female who until recently wouldn't tolerate other rats around her he has stepped up to the role of being alpha very well putting her in her place and looking after the rest of his ladies. He's not agressive but will nip any insubordination in the bud before it gets out of hand.
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Re: Have you had a male rat neutured?

Post by Roxplusrats » Thu May 27, 2010 8:30 pm

I've had two rats neutered:

Loki: the procedure had no effect on his aggressive behaviour whatsoever and he was a terror to other rats for the rest of his life. Though the operation was done by a newly qualified vet and he still looked slightly bulgy down there (certainly more so than other neutered boys I've subsequently seen) so I do wonder if she actually left a bit in (if that's possible?) Though he was my first castrated boy so I didn't pick up on that possibility at the time as I had nothing to compare it to.

Patton: we had to get Patton done because he was not only very hormonal but also just the biggest boy I've ever known (his Dad was huge too) and he was just too rough with the others, and would also nip us. This op was a complete success and he his now the very gentlest of giants. His quality of life seems to have improved no end since the op.
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