Perhaps that would be an idea for some new threads.Ratgirl@RatRitz wrote:When straights weren't around not everyone was balanced in their replies, I haven't said anything to indicate that they were? However I do think there was a lot more discussion about the pros and cons of all diets 'pre-straights', and now it just seems to be a lot more difficult to get a real discussion going about the pros and cons of all diets without someone condemning all the other options.
What has been excessive in mine, or anyones, critical evaluation here?Ratgirl@RatRitz wrote:The picking apart can be a good thing yes, but I do think it has become excessive and when that happens, it leads to personal feelings becoming involved which is what has happened here. You say that these concerns feel like a vendetta against straights, but this works the other way too and it can feel that when someone suggests other options there is a vendetta against these.
This is one of the only arguments I ever seem to hear from people, I was rather hoping it would be something new. A rat's body is well equipped to cope with periods of shortage and excess through the physiological process where calcium can be shifted in and out of the bones. The caution exercised is not giving calcium everyday and rather every 2-3 days a week, allowing the body to continue functioning normally through coping with such periods of excess and shortage... something it can do, just not continuously. I see no reason why a rat shouldn't be able to get what it needs from that while the risk of overdosing is limted. Calcium deficiency is not a non-issue in commercial mixes, so I don't think that in this matter it has a massive advantage over straights, nor am I saying straights has an advantage over commercial mixes... I would consider them fairly equal on this account.Ratgirl@RatRitz wrote:I don't think they are contradictory. I just don't think people feeding straights have had long enough to assess any long term effects fully, and this includes long term effects and issues that aren't necessarily known about yet. The one particular issue that is known about is the lack of calcium in the straights diet. Supplements need to be added to prevent calcium deficiencies, but calcium can also be overdosed and there are never any cautions about this aspect of the supplementation.
When have I said that straights is the only option, that's not what I think at all. If someone wants to improve their mix I am all for it and will help in any way I can!Ratgirl@RatRitz wrote:Not everyone shares the concerns regarding commercial mixes that are often voiced here. Some people feel that a commercial mix designed to be fed to rats is a good enough mix already and they do not see the need to research things any further ... but this doesn't mean that they are unwilling to improve upon the existing diet, and that they cannot improve upon the existing diet, without completely changing to straights ... should these people be left to flounder without help because they can't or don't want to feed straights for whatever reason, regardless of the pros and cons of the diet they are currently feeding?
If cost were an issue I would hope they would indicate in the thread, in which case I would try and offer suggestons that were financially viable for them. I'm not a mind reader but I do understand that some people really cannot afford it, that being said I don't think straights is exclusive to those on high incomes. I'm certainly not!Ratgirl@RatRitz wrote: No. I am suggesting that not everyone can afford to shop at Rat Rations and that it would be nice if people were given alternatives to this.
In fact currently it is cheaper for me to buy the RR complete mix at £2.15 a kg than to buy PAH muesli at £2.99.
For comparison, 20kg of mix would cost:
£43.00 including P&P at RR for complete mix
£59.80 including free P&P at PAH for PAH muesli.
That's a huge saving for me, but that's because I'm buying in bulk. What could really make things affordable to people is for clusters of owners to chip in together, anyone in Lincoln could buy this mix for cost price from me. The saving could then allow them to buy the supplements required. Just a thought.
I certainly will when I have a moment, at the minute dissertation writing has taken over my life!!Ratgirl@RatRitz wrote:No, I'm sorry, I read an awful lot and I don't save all the links, you will have to find things for yourself if you'd like to read more.
The point of straights to me is that you can make it what you want it to be, if you need the calories to be more accessible then you could do so by majoring on processed grains. In a standard straights mix there should be a variety of processed and non-processed grains because they are different, nutritionally, in what they offer.Ratgirl@RatRitz wrote:
I would have issues feeding straights to my nakies because as far as I am aware part of the point of a straights diet is that nutrients and calories are less easily accessible than in other diets, and I know this would cause at least some of my nakies issues because some of them need very easily accessible calories in order to maintain their weight.
I'm sorry but when push comes to shove something has to give, and unfortunately it's not going to be my education. I shouldn't even be here right now really!Ratgirl@RatRitz wrote:Suppose my interest is because I am considering moving to straights. Was this not a good opportunity to demonstrate to me just how versatile and adaptable a straights diet can be? What a shame that you have no time to take advantage of this opportunity.